2010-01-11 20:35 < Utopiah> kanzure: during H+ summit talk you talked about "civilization seed" perspective, do you have reference of post-civilisation collapse (Maya, Rome, ...) rebuilt kit (vademecum) that were historically very efficient to bootstrap communities? (i.e. if corporation scale technology becomes for a reason or another unusable, what are according to history the most efficient ways to restart) 20:35 < kanzure> vademecum? 20:36 < Utopiah> (Handbook - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbook A handbook is sometimes referred to as a vade mecum (Latin, "go with me") or pocket reference that is intended to be carried at all times.) 20:39 < Utopiah> I guess right now it should be in algorithmic form, but my point is 20:39 < Utopiah> that there should be comparative studies of post-collapse communities and which were the most efficient ones 20:39 < Utopiah> and, I guess, based on what tools and technique at that time 20:40 < Utopiah> thus if there is such a post-collapse efficiency pattern, it could be useful for a "civilization seed" 20:43 < Utopiah> ( http://www.longnow.org/seminars/02009/nov/18/long-and-short-it/ http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=052138673X and http://www.longnow.org/seminars/02005/jul/15/how-societies-fail-and-sometimes-succeed/ made me wonder about it) 20:45 < chupacabra> Maybe I should start "The Open Machinery's Handbook" hmmmm 20:46 < chupacabra> with machine tool documentation. 20:48 < chupacabra> do to Industrial Press what Wikipedia did to Funk and Wagonals 20:49 < chupacabra> Thanks fo getting me thinking so early today guys. inspired by discussion with Paola and videos