21:31 < Utopiah> IMHO that's the beauty of language, you are not limited to 2 or 3 dimensions
21:31 < Utopiah> and what makes it so complex too, you can just go on any number of recursions you want (or can manage)
21:31 < Utopiah> (like a fractal)
21:32 < benhem> mm.  and sometimes language does not seem so separate from the nature of the elusive qualities of life.  poetry, puns, dream-riddles, twisted and multiplying meanings
21:32 < benhem> after all we're still the authors and interpreters and we can't help but be that way
21:33 < Utopiah> without any able interpreters the language die
21:34 < Kogs_> I just don't like the linear limitations of language
21:34 < Kogs_> if we could speak a tree of words, it'd be neat
21:34  * Kogs_ shouts an XML file
21:35 < Utopiah> Kogs_ how do you send this XML file?
21:35 < Utopiah> through content.serialization() ;)
21:35 < Kogs_> with my mouth
21:35 < Kogs_> :(
21:35 < Utopiah> which becomes linear too
21:36 < Kogs_> yeah
21:36 < Kogs_> that's what I'm complaining about
21:36 < Utopiah> (even if the network split it into packets)
21:36  * Kogs_ nods
21:37  * benhem becomes Kilgore Trout and writes a book about the aliens who speak in database
21:37  * Kogs_ yans
21:37 < Kogs_> yawns*
21:40 < Utopiah> and even with distributed techniques (like map-reduce), in the moment of taking the decision you have to serialize back the result
21:43 < Utopiah> hopefuly progresses in quantum computing will help :)
21:44 < Kogs_> yeah
21:44 < Utopiah> (cf earlier http://prl.aps.org/accepted/L/ba076Y82O651882611108df55dd779eb173db14d7 ))
21:44 < candide> Title of Utopiah's link: Physical Review Letters - Ultrafast population switching of quantum dots in a structured vacuum
21:44 < Kogs_> would you qualify our thought process as serialized?
21:46 < Utopiah> communication between similar organism is, the internal though process of each might not be
21:47 < Kogs_> yeah, internal's the question
21:49 < Utopiah> I think you could be purely distributed if you never had to communicate ;)
21:49 < Utopiah> but since you even communicate to yourelf (with or without media) 
21:50 < Utopiah> then I guess it forces it to, at one point, be serialized
21:50 < Utopiah> (which is not nesseraly a bad thing since you have to structure and summarize information)
21:50 < Kogs_> bah, quantum exocortexes anyone? :p
21:52 < Utopiah> Google? :-#
21:53 < Kogs_> No results found for "quantum exocortex".
21:53 < Utopiah> I mean Google is already sth like that
21:54 < Utopiah> quantum because it's all map-reduce distributed over the place (plus PageRank is based on our decisions through links), exocortex because well we make decisions based on it without having internalized it entirely
21:54 < Kogs_> I was under the impression that exocortex implies cortex-like cognitive processing that can be fed through BCI
21:56 < Kogs_> !wdict exocortex
21:56 < candide> An 'exocortex' is a theoretical artificial external information processing system that would augment a brain's biological high-level cognitive processes. An individual's 'exocortex' would be composed of external memory modules, processors, IO devices and software systems that would interact with, and augment, a person's biological brain. Typically this interaction is described as being conducted through a direct brain-computer interface, making these e
21:57 < Utopiah> I would consider it valid
21:57 < Utopiah> (disappointing maybe but still valid ;)
21:57 < Kogs_> hehe
21:58 < Kogs_> even Google has to be serialized
21:58 < Utopiah> (btw, pretty recent http://scienceblogs.com/pontiff/2009/12/in_defense_of_d-wave.php )
21:58 < candide> Title of Utopiah's link: In Defense of D-wave : The Quantum Pontiff
21:58 < Utopiah> yes, at the communication level
21:58 < Kogs_> you can't look at a Google result page and not read things serialy
21:58 < Kogs_> yeah
21:58  * Kogs_ doesn't really respect D-Wave
21:59 < Kogs_> because of their massive failure on launch
21:59 < Utopiah> then read http://scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=431 :P
21:59 < candide> Title of Utopiah's link: Shtetl-Optimized &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Hopefully my last D-Wave post ever