Comment By williamweb (18:59 Today) I read about it. randal a koene started randal a koene/koene.web-talk.20100717.pdf (18:59 Today) Comment By phillip galinsky (19:04 Today) we use the elluminate software Comment By phillip galinsky (19:04 Today) :-) Comment By phillip galinsky (19:05 Today) This format would be much better for the course Tudor arrived (18:59 Today) enki arrived (19:00 Today) Comment By williamweb (18:59 Today) I would do it if I wasn't studying for the GRE for a doctorate. Comment By phillip galinsky (19:05 Today) I can send you the recordings of the classes if you want Comment By williamweb (19:00 Today) Teleplace is very fancy software. Comment By phillip galinsky (19:05 Today) ill have to ask ben first, but hell probably let me Comment By williamweb (19:01 Today) even Second Life would be sufficient. Several universities do it there. Comment By williamweb (19:01 Today) Open Univ. and others esp. UK universities it seems Comment By williamweb (19:01 Today) and some in the US too didier coeurnelle arrived (19:01 Today) Comment By phillip galinsky (19:06 Today) ok thanks giulio Comment By phillip galinsky (19:07 Today) yeah second life would work well for that to Comment By phillip galinsky (19:07 Today) it creates a more personal feeling environment Comment By Suzanne Gildert (19:03 Today) I find Second Life runs very slowly when you have lots of people there - Teleplace seems to handle that better Comment By williamweb (19:03 Today) Second Life allows for highly customized avatars that can look a great deal like the real would if that is what you want. Comment By williamweb (19:03 Today) True Comment By williamweb (19:03 Today) SL has more lag. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (19:03 Today) yes! Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) arrived (19:04 Today) Comment By eleitl (19:02 Today) SL has serious issues which Teleplace has licked. Comment By williamweb (19:04 Today) SL could double their server farm. {-) Comment By williamweb (19:04 Today) :-) Comment By Suzanne Gildert (19:04 Today) I guess Teleplace is cool because you can put video on your avatar :) Comment By williamweb (19:04 Today) true Comment By Suzanne Gildert (19:04 Today) But I do like the idea of the avatara being customisable too Comment By eleitl (19:03 Today) Architecturally, OpenCroquet is much superior to SL, and TelePlace is a fork from OpenCroquet. Comment By Tudor Boloni (19:04 Today) i notice my microphone setting keeps jumping towards the maximum, is there a way to have the setting remain fixed ? Comment By williamweb (19:04 Today) I did not know that. Comment By eleitl (19:03 Today) Your volume is fine. Comment By williamweb (19:05 Today) I hear you fine too. Comment By Tudor Boloni (19:05 Today) k Comment By williamweb (19:05 Today) No spiking in volume here. Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) arrived (19:05 Today) Comment By williamweb (19:07 Today) 7 minutes ago Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) arrived (19:08 Today) Comment By Suzanne Gildert (19:08 Today) People seem to keep disappearing Comment By randal a koene (19:08 Today) warning to group members: nothing new in this talk Comment By Suzanne Gildert (19:09 Today) Oh maybe Comment By Suzanne Gildert (19:09 Today) But David Wood was here a minute ago Comment By williamweb (19:09 Today) I cannot expand the attendee list so it might be overflowing yes. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (19:10 Today) You can make the landmarks section smaller if you want the top list longer I think.... Comment By williamweb (19:11 Today) yes. thanks Suzanne. David Wood arrived (19:11 Today) Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) arrived (19:11 Today) Comment By Suzanne Gildert (19:12 Today) No Anders? :) Comment By williamweb (19:11 Today) ... Comment By williamweb (19:12 Today) Dr Sandberg? Comment By randal a koene (19:12 Today) who here is neither (a) with our volunteers group nor (b) from the Rutgers course? Comment By mjsl2050 (19:12 Today) yes, i think anders is on holiday Comment By williamweb (19:12 Today) I am new - neither a nor b. Comment By randal a koene (19:13 Today) who is mjsl? Comment By mjsl2050 (19:13 Today) I am Miriam... Comment By mjsl2050 (19:16 Today) mjsl: www.mjsl2050.wordpress.com Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) arrived (19:16 Today) David Wood arrived (19:21 Today) Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) left woppercyb arrived (19:32 Today) Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) arrived (19:38 Today) David Wood left Altman arrived (19:41 Today) David Wood arrived (19:42 Today) David Wood left (19:50 Today) Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (19:54 Today) but the cloud still is physical Comment By williamweb (19:57 Today) True and physical is needed as far as we know. Comment By williamweb (19:57 Today) "pure energy" life forms are entirely theoretical. Comment By enki (19:58 Today) ...entirely new age Comment By phillip galinsky (20:03 Today) energy is physical Comment By williamweb (19:58 Today) Physics tells us that energy is really matter in motion Comment By williamweb (19:58 Today) yes Comment By williamweb (19:58 Today) E = MC 2 says so Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (19:59 Today) well that's the point, cloud or not it stays physical with limitations Comment By williamweb (19:58 Today) absolutely Comment By williamweb (19:59 Today) but fewer limitations Comment By williamweb (19:59 Today) the universe is competitive Comment By williamweb (19:59 Today) We want to be able to life outside of Earth. Comment By williamweb (19:59 Today) not requrie a biosphere Comment By williamweb (20:00 Today) like the LIfeBoat Foundation in that respect Comment By enki (20:01 Today) Hope competitive does not mean natural selection ;) Comment By williamweb (20:00 Today) It means the possibility of other life forms Comment By williamweb (20:00 Today) so yes natural cosmic selection Comment By williamweb (20:01 Today) unfortunately it does Comment By williamweb (20:01 Today) sorry enki Comment By Giulio Prisco (20:01 Today) Don't forget that our technology is part of cosmic evolution Comment By Giulio Prisco (20:02 Today) post-darwinian evolution Comment By williamweb (20:01 Today) Exactly! Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:02 Today) IMHO selection is pervasive Comment By williamweb (20:01 Today) yes Comment By williamweb (20:02 Today) evolution of universe even of universes e.g. the wave function of the multiverse Comment By williamweb (20:02 Today) (Stephen Hawkings here mainly) Comment By williamweb (20:03 Today) (and Everett) Comment By mjsl2050 (20:03 Today) David Deutsch? Comment By williamweb (20:04 Today) at the quantum level, string theory, yes Comment By williamweb (20:04 Today) true. good point. Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:07 Today) on possible target substrates "Toward Replacement Parts For The Brain" is a bit old (2005) but interesting (biotic/abiotic interface) Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:08 Today) :-# Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:11 Today) regarding tool (GPS and more usage) Tool-use induces morphological updating of the body schema Current Biology, Volume 19, Issue 12, R478-R479, 23 June 2009 Comment By enki (20:11 Today) The thought of leaving messy wetware behind and then getting right back to it never occurred to me Comment By williamweb (20:11 Today) via personal cloning is somewhat obvious but controversial Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:12 Today) obvious? Comment By williamweb (20:12 Today) to me Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:12 Today) oh... you mean you use a copy that can be destroyed in the process? Comment By williamweb (20:12 Today) I did a BS in biology and soem grad studies Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:13 Today) (can extrct more info but...kinda ehtically dubious) Comment By williamweb (20:12 Today) and the Dolly incident was widely distributed in the news Comment By mjsl2050 (20:13 Today) re-instantiate on a biological brain...??? Comment By williamweb (20:13 Today) and that is why I expected it might be obvious Comment By enki (20:14 Today) writing each individual connection... Comment By williamweb (20:13 Today) cloned sheep - very famous animal Comment By enki (20:14 Today) ambitious Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:14 Today) I dont think cloning is enough at all except if it's a physical currenct cloning technique (cf cnnectome problem) Comment By phillip galinsky (20:19 Today) wouldn't these methods simply copy your pattern, but destroy the I? that is, the flow of consciousness that is you? Comment By eleitl (20:12 Today) You have no continuity, anyway. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:14 Today) No such thing as continuity, it is an illusion :) Comment By mjsl2050 (20:14 Today) ...but if I would be simulated/emulated how should I got to know if something is "wrong"? Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:14 Today) you perpetually re-generate the illusion of continuity Comment By williamweb (20:14 Today) re-implementation - stored to machine and then downloaded to a similar brain Comment By williamweb (20:14 Today) or can stay robotic Comment By williamweb (20:15 Today) or both maybe :-) Comment By phillip galinsky (20:20 Today) hmm its seems that Im behind in this then, any good suggested reading on the illusion of continuity? Comment By phillip galinsky (20:20 Today) dennett maybe? amara arrived (20:16 Today) Comment By phillip galinsky (20:21 Today) i think ive heard him say something similar Comment By williamweb (20:16 Today) I wonder if he is going to cover the nanobot way of doing a carbon copy? Comment By williamweb (20:16 Today) Kurzweil and Frietas Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:16 Today) not directly on continuity but Being No One/The Ego Tunnel by Thomas Metzinger Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:16 Today) Dennett is good reading about consciousness, yes :) Comment By phillip galinsky (20:22 Today) cool i just bought consciousness explained, havn't started it yet though Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:17 Today) Although I've never found anything I read made me have a 'eureka' moment, just small things over time seem to make it a sensible argument that continuity doesn't really make sense... Comment By williamweb (20:17 Today) Here we go! Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:18 Today) Apologies for my lousy grammar there Comment By phillip galinsky (20:23 Today) idc Comment By williamweb (20:18 Today) Consciousness Explained was a slow, plodding read for me. Comment By williamweb (20:18 Today) but yes worthwhile Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:18 Today) BrainGate uses MEA AFAIK Comment By williamweb (20:18 Today) yes Comment By williamweb (20:18 Today) Brain Gate is on 2.0 Comment By williamweb (20:18 Today) eeg Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:19 Today) ? Comment By williamweb (20:19 Today) electroenceplelogram Comment By williamweb (20:19 Today) aka brain waves Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:19 Today) I mean 2.0? Comment By williamweb (20:19 Today) ekg is to the heart what eeg is to the brain Comment By williamweb (20:19 Today) version 2 of its software Comment By williamweb (20:19 Today) that's all Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:20 Today) ah ok, thanks Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:21 Today) (ads : ##agi on freenode for AGI discussion on IRC ;) Comment By williamweb (20:21 Today) k thanks Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:23 Today) regional significance limit was about inferences when spacial/temp resolution isn't enough? Comment By phillip galinsky (20:29 Today) if continuity of consciousness is an illusion, wouldn't it make just as much sense to make a copy of yourself and then kill the original you, as it would to slowly replace your cells one by one with a synthetic substrate? (you've probably heard this one before, but i haven't yet heard a satisfactory reply) Comment By williamweb (20:24 Today) yes if that is an illusion Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:25 Today) philip: that's also supposing that you can maintain network (in whatever form) connections and have the resources to maintain the 2 instances, which isn't evident IMHO Comment By williamweb (20:25 Today) no that would be very futuristic techology natasha arrived (20:26 Today) Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:26 Today) Phillip: Yes - but it is very hard to try to accept that is the case! Comment By williamweb (20:26 Today) People are understandably attached to their current and only instantiation. Comment By williamweb (20:27 Today) He did touch on nanobots. in that last couple slides. I'm glad. Comment By williamweb (20:27 Today) That is the future technology that I think would resolve the issues. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:29 Today) Thanks! Comment By phillip galinsky (20:34 Today) thank you Comment By eleitl (20:27 Today) Great stuff. Thanks! Comment By didier coeurnelle (20:29 Today) Interesting thx Comment By woppercyb (20:29 Today) thank you very much!!!! Comment By mjsl2050 (20:29 Today) Great! Thanx! Comment By williamweb (20:29 Today) http://www.imm.org and http://www.zyvex.com/nano/ Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:29 Today) clap clap clap Comment By woppercyb (20:30 Today) clap, clap, clap Comment By Tudor Boloni (20:29 Today) awesome talk, thank you Randal Comment By williamweb (20:30 Today) yes *** applause **** Thanks Randal. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:31 Today) We will announce some things on the webpage / Facebook group if there are developments about this :) Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:31 Today) my few live notes on the talk http://fabien.benetou.fr/Events/TeleXLR8-01 Comment By phillip galinsky (20:36 Today) cool thanks Comment By williamweb (20:31 Today) great! Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:32 Today) I really hope we can get the livestream though Comment By williamweb (20:32 Today) Silicon Valley I expect Internet connection will be good. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:33 Today) More efficient algorithms Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:33 Today) (litte D-Wave ad here? ;) Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:34 Today) No, not in particular Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:34 Today) But that is one way Comment By natasha (20:34 Today) Who asked about continuity of consciousness? Comment By phillip galinsky (20:39 Today) me Comment By natasha (20:34 Today) What did you ask please Comment By natasha (20:34 Today) Can't read chat becuase it only shows most recent Comment By phillip galinsky (20:40 Today) i asked if continuity of consciousness is an illusion, wouldn't it make just as much sense to make a copy of yourself and then kill the original you, as it would to slowly replace your cells one by one with a synthetic substrate? (you've probably heard this one before, but i haven't yet heard a satisfactory reply) Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:35 Today) philip: IMHO the illusion would be executed in the 2 instances in the saem way Comment By eleitl (20:34 Today) Synchronized systems in two location have no bifurcation. You can remove one. Comment By eleitl (20:35 Today) It's no execution if you can't know it. Comment By natasha (20:37 Today) How are the strategies proposed by the carboncopies routes "realistic? Comment By natasha (20:38 Today) I have a question. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:38 Today) @Natasha - 'realistic routes' means actual discussions and proposals of scientific ways to achieve ASIM, as opposed to people just using phrases like 'once we have mind uploading' Comment By phillip galinsky (20:43 Today) with lots of funding Comment By natasha (20:39 Today) Of course, but that does not answer the question. What is the straegy? What is the methodology? Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:39 Today) The group is organisational, and is dedicated to bringing together people from existing projects Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:39 Today) It does not propose a scheme itself Comment By Giulio Prisco (20:40 Today) question Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:42 Today) possible question: existing research in alternative substrate security and reliability? As if we talk about the cloud, it's not especially "safe" but uploading will probably have specific requirements so are there on-going security research? Comment By williamweb (20:43 Today) I have not run across any of that but mind control would be literally possible if someone can hack into your brain/mind. Comment By natasha (20:43 Today) What is your view on the issue of downloading vs. uploading? Comment By phillip galinsky (20:48 Today) did he say penrose? Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:44 Today) yes Comment By phillip galinsky (20:49 Today) ah Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:44 Today) william: anything can be hacked :) Comment By williamweb (20:44 Today) of course Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:44 Today) (hence the sec question) Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:46 Today) Interesting point! 'Organic uploading' Comment By phillip galinsky (20:52 Today) i really dislike the narrow and dogmatic use of the term natural Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:47 Today) GMO-free mind upload :-# Comment By williamweb (20:47 Today) The universe is natural. Comment By mjsl2050 (20:47 Today) What is "natural" anyway? (came into existence by chance???) Comment By phillip galinsky (20:52 Today) exactly Comment By eleitl (20:45 Today) Sideloading. Comment By phillip galinsky (20:52 Today) everything that exists is natural Comment By williamweb (20:47 Today) LOL Comment By williamweb (20:47 Today) sideloading Comment By williamweb (20:47 Today) nice Comment By phillip galinsky (20:53 Today) nothing (which doesn't exist) is unnatural Comment By mjsl2050 (20:48 Today) yeah, natural vs. artificial atoms??? Comment By phillip galinsky (20:53 Today) haha Comment By eleitl (20:46 Today) Congrats, Natasha. Comment By Tudor Boloni (20:48 Today) wild Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:49 Today) Superorganism :) Comment By mjsl2050 (20:50 Today) but you may talk about natural and artificial arrangements of atoms? Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (20:50 Today) (coolest "superorganism" video I saw recently Allomerus decemarticulatus (ants) trap on Hirtella physophora http://www.youtube.com/user/Utopiah#p/a/u/0/zrL5BYRqrTI ) Comment By phillip galinsky (20:55 Today) well whats artificial? Comment By williamweb (20:50 Today) artificial = art amd facio [Lation for make] Comment By phillip galinsky (20:55 Today) it comes from tool Comment By williamweb (20:50 Today) making art Comment By amara (20:51 Today) what level of structure? Comment By phillip galinsky (20:56 Today) right, to make Comment By williamweb (20:51 Today) like make a sandwich, make a decision Comment By mjsl2050 (20:52 Today) e.g. a metamaterial is an artificial arrangement Comment By williamweb (20:52 Today) make a nanobot, make a substrate Comment By amara (20:52 Today) could you comment on the Yale study just announced regarding the effect of electrical fields? Comment By williamweb (20:52 Today) artificial vs. natural Comment By phillip galinsky (20:57 Today) so its a useless term to pit against "natural" Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:52 Today) Good question! Comment By phillip galinsky (20:57 Today) its a subcategory Comment By amara (20:53 Today) http://www.kurzweilai.net/study-shows-electrical-fields-influence-brain-activity Comment By williamweb (20:52 Today) I agree Phillip. Comment By amara (20:53 Today) click that for more info Comment By amara (20:53 Today) see the link above Comment By amara (20:53 Today) why difficult? Giulio Prisco started http://www.kurzweilai.net/study-shows-electrical-fields-influence-brain-activity (20:54 Today) Comment By Giulio Prisco (20:55 Today) The URL than Amara gave is on the screen on the left Comment By amara (20:55 Today) what is your opinion of the Tuszynski hypothesis regarding tubulin level of computation in the microtubule substrate? Comment By amara (20:55 Today) who what speaking just then? Comment By phillip galinsky (21:00 Today) how do I zoom into that page? Comment By phillip galinsky (21:01 Today) figured it out Comment By amara (20:57 Today) yes he found 10*27 cps equivalent in the tubulin dimers, found in microtubules in dendrites Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:57 Today) Amara: I was speaking about electrical fields a couple mins ago Comment By amara (20:58 Today) no not a tms study Comment By williamweb (20:57 Today) http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273%2810%2900463-0 Comment By amara (20:58 Today) no only endogenous Comment By williamweb (20:57 Today) orignal link Comment By amara (20:58 Today) no not in environment Comment By enki (20:58 Today) What is actually standing between us and actually going for a proof of concept? Comment By amara (20:59 Today) no not related to environment Comment By Giulio Prisco (20:59 Today) money money money Comment By mjsl2050 (20:59 Today) May be there something similar to epigenetics in neuro-research? Comment By eleitl (20:57 Today) So how do we get funding? Comment By Suzanne Gildert (20:59 Today) Computational hardware :) Comment By enki (21:00 Today) thanks Comment By eleitl (20:57 Today) Current hardware is good enough for a proof of concept. Comment By amara (21:00 Today) a study of endogenous fields Comment By williamweb (21:00 Today) endogenous EFs during physiological activity states in neocortex Comment By natasha (21:00 Today) Anthony Barker ?? Comment By Suzanne Gildert (21:00 Today) Eugene: True, if you have the right algorithm ;) Comment By eleitl (20:58 Today) Suzanne, even brute force is dandy if your system is small enough. Comment By amara (21:01 Today) no they only studied the hippothalamus not the neocortex Comment By amara (21:01 Today) hippocampus i mean Comment By williamweb (21:01 Today) LOL Comment By amara (21:01 Today) i just invented a whole new organ! LOL Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:01 Today) eleitl: brute force doesn't work on combinatorics, even small systems :/ Comment By eleitl (21:00 Today) Fabien, digitized neuroanatomy is not combinatorics. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (21:02 Today) You can do small systems, agreed Comment By woppercyb (21:02 Today) Good bye and thank you .-) Comment By eleitl (21:00 Today) Lymnea is reachable with today's hardware. Comment By amara (21:02 Today) yes, see Ed Boyden's work Comment By eleitl (21:00 Today) Rodents, that's way out of reach. Comment By Tudor Boloni (21:02 Today) all depends on the resolution woppercyb left (21:03 Today) Comment By eleitl (21:01 Today) You have to start at a low level of theory. Comment By eleitl (21:01 Today) I'm assuming there's no shortcuts yet. Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:04 Today) comments on uploaded mind specific security? Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:04 Today) (a la Ghost in the Shell for the fans ;) Comment By eleitl (21:02 Today) Security is only a problem for legacy systems. Comment By williamweb (21:04 Today) really? Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:05 Today) how so? Comment By natasha (21:05 Today) Organic will cost more! :-) Comment By eleitl (21:03 Today) A kind of the world which can emulate primates is not legacy. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (21:05 Today) I suspect you could combine algorithms on different levels given that the brain has a somewhat fractal structure..... Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:05 Today) if I hijack your emulation or its closure how is that not a problem? Comment By eleitl (21:03 Today) How do you own an ASIC? Comment By eleitl (21:03 Today) How do you compromise a provably secure system? Comment By Suzanne Gildert (21:06 Today) If it is an FPGA you could hack it :) Comment By natasha (21:06 Today) Don't touch my SIM! Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:06 Today) (Suzanne: news on OPGA btw?) Comment By Suzanne Gildert (21:06 Today) OPGA? Comment By williamweb (21:06 Today) if we move to inorganic substrate, then it would seem that it would be hackable. Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:07 Today) (optical http://www.erc.caltech.edu/Research02/reports/panotopoulos2full.html ) Comment By williamweb (21:07 Today) e,g, if it connects to the Internet and the TCP/IP protocol Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:07 Today) hackable in a hijacked way too Comment By amara (21:08 Today) organic subsrates could also be hackable by monitoring via MEG and EEG Comment By eleitl (21:05 Today) Future networks don't run TCP/IP. Comment By natasha (21:08 Today) My SIM my your SIM, we all SIM Comment By williamweb (21:07 Today) interesting Comment By phillip galinsky (21:13 Today) bio should be hackable in theory Comment By natasha (21:08 Today) definitely Comment By eleitl (21:06 Today) Bio is hackable. Targeted bioweapons. Comment By williamweb (21:08 Today) true bio should be hackable Comment By amara (21:09 Today) google "cemi theory of consciousness" for more on hacking brain RF signals Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:08 Today) eleitl: AFAIK every promise of the future network was supposed to be secure ;) Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:09 Today) (always failed) Comment By eleitl (21:07 Today) Future networks look a lot like physics, not logics. Think of a relativistic cut-through in a photonic network. Where is the exploitability? Comment By amara (21:09 Today) much easier than inorganic, which can be hardened to shield (Faraday cage) Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:09 Today) even quantum based crypto is being hacked Comment By eleitl (21:07 Today) How do you cause a buffer overrun on a dog? You can't, since the dog has no buffers. Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:10 Today) (cf http://www.iet.ntnu.no/groups/optics/qcr/ ) Comment By amara (21:10 Today) although McFadden believed the brain is intrinsically a Faraday cage Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:10 Today) it has memory buffers Comment By natasha (21:10 Today) ruffer ruffer Comment By eleitl (21:08 Today) Try a remote exploit on Fluffy. Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:10 Today) Pavlov? Comment By natasha (21:10 Today) haha Comment By randal a koene (21:10 Today) LOL Comment By eleitl (21:08 Today) You can own people by Scientology, ok. Comment By Suzanne Gildert (21:10 Today) This would be easier to read on a forum-style thread system :P Comment By amara (21:11 Today) i would like to hear thoughts on measuring and emulating radio frequency signals from the brain Comment By enki (21:11 Today) Might putting up a prize for prototypes help? Like SENS did? Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:11 Today) the text chat can be exported Comment By didier coeurnelle (21:11 Today) It is possible to save the chat if you want Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:11 Today) it has timestamps Comment By amara (21:11 Today) could randal comment on that? Comment By phillip galinsky (21:16 Today) someone should do a screen capture Comment By natasha (21:11 Today) put some aluminium foil on your head Comment By Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) (21:11 Today) phillip: Ill upload it alongside my notes Comment By amara (21:12 Today) no it's highly exotic Comment By Suzanne Gildert (21:12 Today) What RF signals eminate from the brain? Comment By williamweb (21:12 Today) radiation is just "heat" dissipation Comment By Giulio Prisco (21:12 Today) Don't take a screenshot of the text chat, use the export save transcript tool Comment By amara (21:12 Today) no there is no attenuation of elf signals by the skull\