14:56 < dira> if we want to think better , we just use *extra* information in thinking process , because we think of how we think , and that requires knowledge of well thinking 
15:10 < Utopiah> maybe my term "extract" wasn't clear
15:10 < Utopiah> you can check http://seedea.free.fr/persowiki/index.php?n=Cookbook.Cognition#Thinking where I defined it before proposing it to you.
15:19 < dira> btw , the "probability distribution" itself is ambiguous word , "probability distribution" of what ?
15:22 < dira> your definition is valid if you believe universe is projection of brain's idea and continuous probability distribution is atomic (non-breakable , corner stone) entity
15:24 < dira> on my side , I believe in reveres, that idea are formed by projections of real (outer ) world
15:26 < dira> and "probability distribution" is nothing but simple function that maps probabilities to each entity in domain
15:26 < dira> probability of an entity = PD( entity)
15:30 < dira> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics#Contemporary_schools_of_thought
15:35 < Utopiah> I said extract, as in perceiving information, the model that a brain is used is the result of that perpetual transformation of its own probabilty distribution
15:38 < Utopiah> a brain is just a tool to model the environment it lives in.
16:05 < dira> if the PD in your definition is PD of brain itself , your definition is highly true and that is highly similar to neural definition of thinking (Thinking is the process that extracts information by transforming current neurons weights to another weights using energy.), but I don't specific definition emphasizing the "self-reflexivity" 
16:06 < dira> s/ I don't specific/ I don't see
16:06 < dira> specific
16:07 < Utopiah> that's the "extract" part
16:07 < Utopiah> it doesn't extract randomly but based on knowledge of itself
16:09 < Utopiah> and thus of what it could be lacking.
16:10 < dira> good
16:11 < Utopiah> (basically, impresice probabilities, those with high error rate)
16:12 < dira> I believe key point is the way we (human) think
16:12 < dira> we use language 
16:12 < dira> we talk to thyself
16:12 < Utopiah> same principle
16:12 < dira> (listening)
16:12 < Utopiah> words are probabilities of meaning that get refined after social exposure
16:13 < Utopiah> that's why a dog can be a cat for a kid but not for a grown up for which both are animals but with distinct types
16:13 < Utopiah> and for a dog resseller, you have a way more precise distribution
16:13 < Utopiah> thanks to exposure to this particular domain
16:13 < Utopiah> meaning itself is acquired through refinment of probabilities
16:13 < Utopiah> language is learned, languages come from thinking
16:14 < dira> "words are probabilities of meaning that get refined after social exposure" good one
16:14 < dira> "language is learned, languages come from thinking" a little bit fuzzy
16:15 < Utopiah> just to say that a language does no have any objective meaning
16:15 < Utopiah> it is a purely social construct